UV is...furry?

[forgerofsouls]

So I was checking RPG Gateway, where as of this post we are in the Die Roller's Top 100 at spot 60. And UV is listed under the Genre - Furry. And ONLY furry. We are in a magical forest, so at the very least we are in a fantasy setting.

Somehow...I decided to think about this. For me, and several others, the term Furry does not have to do with what RPG Gateway lables it as: Wolves to badgers to panthers and more, role play your favorite four-legged critter here.

'Furry' doesn't seem the most accurate label for the site, and it does give a bad impression throughout most of the internet.

Then I decided to do some research into if we really are a furry (using RPG Gateway's useage, and not the typical useage) site. First I went through the current allowed characters listed in the Deep Forest Inhabitants to get research data. Currently in the DFI (Deep Forest Inhabitants), there are 72 allowed characters (74 in total, but two is duplicated, lets see if the admin/mods can figure that one out).

The characters are:
Simi - Unicorn with the ability to shift into a phoenix form. My lable: Furry (Using RPG Gateway's useage)
Klinge Angstauge - Half-Dragon Half-Archangel. My lable: Mythic Fantasy
Yue Tiger - Wood Cat, which is an elf that can transform into a cat form through druidic power. My lable: High Fantasy
Tal - Angelline, a type of angel. My lable: Mythic Fantasy
Dilana Sylva - Golden Hind (Basically a Deer version of the centaur). My lable: High Fantasy
Dana Del - Deya, dark skinned humanoids with tails. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Gaeva - Winged Unicorn, da boss lady in lavender. My label: Furry
Geaven - Winged Unicorn, da boss lady’s bro. My label: Furry
Meali - Winged Unicorn, Geaven’s daughter. My label: Furry
Jahran - Winged Unicorn, Geaven’s son. My label: Furry
Willow - Evil Forest Spirit, in desperate need of a hug. My label: High Fantasy
Devon - Anthro-Donkey, formerly known as Human. My label: High Fantasy
Mei Kora Chuka - Dooker, electric alien. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Zom Imperizo - Vampire, crazy vampire. My label: Gothic
Rekka - Incubus, assassin demon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Entropy - Succubus, silver skinned demon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Neither - Newman. My label: High Fantasy
Neto - Aquatic Clouded Leopard. My label: Furry
Windra - Turkey Vulture Scavenger Dragon, that’s a mouth full. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Scarlet - Enhanced Crimson Head (undead). My label: Gothic
Naira - Half-Dragon Soul Reaver of Earth. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Alpha - Betlequillar. My label: High Fantasy
Dejah - Forest Gargoyle/Elf. My label: High Fantasy
Baerionth Slhithfraeth - Winged Darv, expert Swordsman. My label: High Fantasy
Ribbit Wolf - Wolf. My label: Furry
Tod Kinn - Elven Halfling. My label: High Fantasy
Magera Della Guerra - Horned Elf, horseman of war. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Macha Sei Pest - Metallic Angel, horseman of pestilence . My label: Mythic Fantasy
Coatlicue Vai Famine - Enchantress, horseman of famine. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Mort G. Reaper - Grim Reaper, horseman of death. My label: Mythic Fantasy
ALICE - Artifical Lifeform Intelegence Core: Experimental, Computational Unit. My label: SciFi
Minx - Fae Shapeshifter. My label: High Fantasy
Inaki - Sentient Magic. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Siltharyn Lithnotain - Wolf-Tyrai Hybrid. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Rishcath Zithiskuson - Zunhal. Old Entity. My label: Mythic Fantasy
UESCS Norad III - United Earth Monarch-Class Dreadnought Real Human Personality Artifical Intelligenc. My label: SciFi
Bem - Fyr Fyr, a type of dragon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Tiffin - Aerosquirrel. My label: Furry
Thoee - Female Nism. My label: SciFi
Deen - Male Nism. My label: SciFi
Kibeti - Wolf. My label: Furry
Mao Mao - Panda, looking for her mother. My label: Furry
Dalsh Delash - Quillirian. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Tynat Essanray - Hummer Elf. My label: High Fantasy
Hozadine - Featherling. My label: Furry
Disma - Red Dragon, nuff said. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Tiiona Carmine - Equestrian, anthromorphic horse people. My label: High Fantasy
Lepidus-Malus - Unicorn. My label: Furry
Tara - Banth Shifter. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Blackback the Entrepeneur - Moutain Troll, the forest’s famous merchant. My label: High Fantasy
Ebb, the Greater Grey - Greater Grey Sentient Dragon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
The Jester - Unknown Creature. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Tenedras Durnhan - Wimbaji. My label: High Fantasy
Lyrial Eailiolery - Sealed Worldeater. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Silver Sight - Leichter Wolf. My label: Furry
Atomsk - Wolf. My label: Furry
Deavin Raven wolf - Dragon (Metal). My label: Mythic Fantasy
The Harlequin - Manifestation of an idea. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Empyrean Feathers - Caelestia Unicorn. My label: Furry
Dragontron - AI Robot. My label: SciFi
Nightstalker - Anthro Lion. My label: High Fantasy
Eternal Hinthraeoun - Female Darv, twin of Infernal. My label: High Fantasy
Infernal Hinthraeoun - Male Darv, twin of Eternal. My label: High Fantasy
Faelyn - Unicorn. My label: Furry
Barbannis Wolf - Tyrai Wolf. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Donald Darien Lothar - Kith. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Sarah Bree-Carey - Kith. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Deorchara - Mutated Werewolf-Hare. My label: High Fantasy
Misheard - Inoran Dragon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
Emmer Gold Flame - Mix between FireWolf and StoneWolf. My label: Myhic Fantasy
StarCrosser - Unicorn-Pony. My label: Furry
Zin - Dragon. My label: Mythic Fantasy
V Phoenix - White Tiger Anthro Angel. My label: Mythic Fantasy

Totals:
Furry - 17
High Fantasy - 18
Mythic Fantasy - 29
Gothic - 2
SciFi - 5

As you can see, most characters are Mythic based in fantasy terms. Of course, many of them that I labeled as Mythic can be labeled as High Fantasy, and some High Fantasy characters could fall into the Mythic range. Also, I only labeled many of the Furry characters as such because they were true animals compared to high and mythic characters. In reality, unicorns would fall under either High Fantasy (if they are the of the traditional unicorn variety), or Mythic Fantasy (if they are like Gaeva’s unicorns, or my own Silver Sight). So in reality, the number of Furry characters, if I labeled the unicorns and some other Furry characters as they should be labeled, would be 7. I will not include characters that are still in the Edge, for they haven’t been allowed into the forest yet. But I will say this, most of them are either High Fantasy or Mythic Fantasy. As you can see, UV, in my opinion, is not a Furry sight as is labeled at RPG Gateway.


I was using the catergories found at RPG Gateway when labeling characters. I think some Mythic Characters would also fall under the Supernatural catergory also, same with some High Fantasy. But that is all I have to say so far.

[Norvilion]

I will highly disagree with the definition provided for furry, though (I hope) it is well know that furries are not deviants by default. Back to the topic though- since characters are non-human and a large portion of the time that promotes animalistic features (from neko to full quad) UV leans toward furry. It is not fully furry due to the allowance of non-biological characters such as the theoretical sentient bag of marbles that might have tried to join in some unexplored timeline.

[forgerofsouls]

Sorry if I insulted you Norv, that was not my intention. Plus, I guess you don't know what Norad is? Norad is a computer AI of UV's one and only spaceship. Typically he interacts with others through the use of a hologram. And plus there is ALICE...I would suggest you go look her up...Just so you know, such sentient beings are not theoretical here....

[Blue]

I will vote (haven't done so yet) for Mystic Fantasy due to the fact that if we to go with a very strict idea of what 'furry' is (getting rid of the internet badboy lable)

talking animals mostly with no real magical properties of their own or animals playing human roles (such as in the Fox Robin Hood movie).

Considering the amount of magic and/or the fact that some creatures are mixbreeds of either 1 animal part and 1 fantasy/non animal part it'd be safest to label it as Mystic Fantasy.

"Furry" isn't bad, but in this case it also doesn't suit since, in essence, you could also consider Deep Forest itself AS a character. Remember the Plague Plot? Considering that a forest itself can interact with players in one way or another that definitely doesn't suit furry.

So all in all, if you take into consideration the whole of what UV is, not just the characters played, and the fact that the lands of Deep Forest can take part in a storyline it's more fantasy then furry, and more mystic then traditional.

[Gaeva Winged Unicorn]

We're listed under furry?? O.o We're not furry, furry (in all it's forms) is just one aspect of many options available O.o How did that happen... That needs to be changed.

Anyway, I'd say mythic fantasy if I had to choose, but that's limiting as well, but broader in the sense that more of the characters here can be shoved into this definition box...if squeezed hard. Really hard in Norad's case >.>

[Athaiyel]

Is there any way we can change this?

[JunoZXV]

Grab a shaver and get shearing!

[The_Vizir]

We're listed under furry?? O.o We're not furry, furry (in all it's forms) is just one aspect of many options available O.o How did that happen... That needs to be changed.

Anyway, I'd say mythic fantasy if I had to choose, but that's limiting as well, but broader in the sense that more of the characters here can be shoved into this definition box...if squeezed hard. Really hard in Norad's case >.>

Boss Lady, I'm pretty certain this was in one of the 20 or so PMs I've sent you over the past month

Aside from my own personal disagreements with the phrase being applied here to UV, which should be well enough known that I don't have to repeat them, I believe it does hamper our ability to garner new members simply because the number of people seeking a furry RP is far far less than those seeing a high fantasy/generic fantasy adventure. So, makes sense to appeal to a larger audience, eh?

to edit UV's classification, I think you just have to go here, and then tinker around for a bit. Not too hard.

Also, good luck squeezing the 3 km long spaceship into high fantasy. I'm gonna step back in the off chance he decides to unload a missile barrage on your magic-loving arses. Just saying...

[forgerofsouls]

Also, good luck squeezing the 3 km long spaceship into high fantasy. I'm gonna step back in the off chance he decides to unload a missile barrage on your magic-loving arses. Just saying...

[Gaeva Winged Unicorn]

It's already been fixed, just a matter of it being put into the system ^_^

I need to make a list of your couple of dozen of PMs, Viz, I'm losing oversight of everything you said XD

[Pickle]

Being in the fandom myself, I can tell you that 'Furry' is first and foremost a slang word for an anthropomorphic animal or creature. Every single character on this board is either a creature with human characteristics (this includes creatures that talk and/or feel human emotions, not just those that walk or act like humans) or humans with animal/feral characteristics, so yes, by definition this board is Furry, whether you like it or not. =P

[Luxon Cobrat]

Going down the list above and checking the ones I know:

Norad is a ship with a human hologram for an avatar. He cannot be construed as a furry unless you're going to call normal humans furries.

Zom is a formerly human vampire currently disguised as an elf. Neithird is a post-human and closer to an elf than anything in appearance. Scarlet is a zombie. Rishcath is a shadow-person-thing. Blackback is a troll. The Jester only looks different from a human because she has four arms. Lyrial looks like a human with elf ears. Barbannis is a wolf-guy now, but used to be a walking suit of armor. Calling any of these examples furry is almost as much of a stretch.

Entropy, Rekka, and Dejah have demon wings, which are like bat wings. That might count if you're really being strict, but it's hardly the best fit.

A lot of the characters have fur, but otherwise aren't based on any particular animal. Furry may fit, but it's a secondary classification at best.

There's a lot of magical animals, but those were part of fantasy well before the furry genre was ever invented.

Pretty much every character on the board fits fantasy, furries included, except for the ones that fall under science fiction. The setting itself fits fantasy more than anything. If we can only pick one classification to advertise, that would be the best one. Biggest question would be between mythic or high fantasy, but I suppose the unicorns would tip the balance towards mythic.

[forgerofsouls]

Same with the dragons, and demons/devils, and Lyrial...because of what she is.

[Pickle]

If you say so, Luxon. =P I reckon there's a serious case of denial going on here though...

[Luxon Cobrat]

See the color of the forum's border? A serious case of denial doesn't even begin to describe it.

[Pickle]

Yeah, that apparent grassy border is in fact green fur.

[The_Vizir]

Boss lady promised us the pink would go, yes...

She promised...

But it says, yes, it stays, always glowing, always pink, yes...

We hates it, but it stays, but she promised, but it stays, yes...

I mean, lolwut?

And Gloom, not denying that there are some aspects of UV which could be classified as furry (but try to apply that label to me or my characters and you are in for a rant an a half. Seriously. Ask anyone else here. Don't do it), however the question is weather or not furry is the best label for UV on RPG listing sites? As in, does this site cater best to the needs of those seeking a furry rp location? Prolly not, I'd hazard. It fits high fantasy and mythic fantasy far better, and could also apply to several others instead of furry. Same goes with other sites... UV is listed as Fantasy/Sci Fi - Other Worldly at Caution, not under Non Human, because Fantasy/Sci Fi is a better place to plop us, in terms of tone, setting, and new members we wish to attract.

[Pickle]

Oh certainly, I never said that Furry was the best category to place it under - general Fantasy would indeed be a far more effective category for catering to the widest possible audience.

I simply pointed out that the vast majority of characters here are anthropomorphic creatures and so Furry by definition, whether that label is wanted or not, so it's not surprising that UV ended up under that category in the first place, in the same way that films like The Lion King and The Secret of NIMH are classified as Furry - they weren't created specifically for that audience, but they're Furry all the same.

[forgerofsouls]

Well...now I hate this. I refuse to go back and try to fix what was lost. What was going to appear here was an actually list of the humanoids, and to identify the furries amongst them. I had done half of them, but looking at the ones I had yet to do, I would say that the number of humanoids, which total 45 characters (give or take a few, I think I might have missed one). Of them, the number of furrie (and I'm being generous here) are: 14 in total. And thats adding some that I had to stretch far to add a few characters. With out them, the nubmer is more like 10.

That being said, I would like to point out something. Furries are anthromorphic animals, not humanoids with animalistic features. If it was both, than humans, who share features in common with primates, would be furry. But since thats not the case a lot of people that think that...for example...a Nekogirl, a human woman with cat ears and a cat tail...are furry, are actually wrong. Thats not a furry. What makes a furry is the strong animal features, not the presence of them. If they look more animal than human, for example, is basically what a furry is. But thats still not accurate, and thats the only reason I included about 4 characters in that 14. In reality, in the strictest since of what a furry is, it has to be very much an actual real animal given human form, but still obviously an animal. Like a wolf that has the body and limbs of a human, but has the tail, fur, head, and feet of a wolf is a furry. Not a human that has wolf ears and a wolf tail. Dragons, despite being what they are, are not furry in the slightest. That is because they are powerful mythological creatures. In a sense even unicorns are more like dragons for this debate. But I am being generous to include the unicorns and my own Silver Sight into the furry group.

If you were to be very strict about what is furry and not, than none of the unicorns and my own Silver would be labeled as furry, and neither would about 4 of the humanoids that I have said fall into furry. If I was hyper strict about this I would say that at most 9 characters on UV are furry, and that the rest I added was just because I was being very generous. With that being said, and my research done. The conclusion one can come to based on the facts is that the vast majority of the characters at UV are NOT furry. And also, if you look carefully, as far as true anthromorphic characters go, we have...4 anthromorphic characters that are true anthromorphic animals. Shape shifters cannot be included as most of our shape shifters hae their animal form as a secondary form. Dragons don't count, and neither do aliens or races that have lots of different animal components to them. You say that you are a furry fan. I am sorry to say that you lack the knowledge of a true fan and do not see what a furry truely is.

Somehow that came out wrong...but what ever. I'm telling you that because in real life I practice magic, and your view on what makes a furry a furry reminds me of someone else that practices magic. She said that she is very good with magic. But when she tried to summon a guardian for her household, she summoned a demon instead. It almost killed her when she went about banishing it. You may think I'm joking, but I'm not. When a person becomes a fan of something with out truelly learning to understand that something they tend to start thinking they know what they are talking about when in reality they still know so little. Your view on what a furry is, is to...vague and misleading. And it includes others that are not furry. Just because it has animalistic features doesn't mean its furry, just like how a dark red crayon is not the same for blood.

And yes, that was her first mistake. She used a dark red crayon in place of her blood for the binding ritual. But, I won't go any furthure than that, otherwise it will lead to a post that might take you a few hours to read, after all I lectured her for four hours about everything she did wrong (which is to say, everything about her summoning she did wrong). Do not be like her and think just because you know something that you know it like a master of that knowledge would know it.

[Pickle]

Wow, text-wall! I had a bit of trouble climbing it. In fact, I fell off half way up, around the bit about summoning demons, and decided that starting over was more trouble than it was worth.

I only dropped in to share my views, sorry if it seemed too much like Serious Business to you, didn't mean to cause offence. I'm well aware that Furry means different things to different people - I was speaking in very broad terms. I never claimed to be any kind of Furry Purist, I just do what I do.

Why is that whenever Furry is involved, the Drama Llama rears its ugly head and starts spitting at everything? =P